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you are live in the cnn newsroom. eye i'm jim sciutto in washington in for poppie harlow today. right now in dallas texas a simple memorial some bollizing a city's grief, a state's grief, a nation's grief and determination to heal. two police cars attracting a file of flowers, of gifts, personal messages. people expressing their heart break in the aftermath of that horrific slaughter of police officers on thursday night. we'll have plenty on the investigation of the shooter, his background, his possible motivations in a moment. before that, president obama urging the world to view this tragedy as an aberration, not as the norm. >> demented individual who carried out those attacks in dallas, he's no more representative of appearance than the shooter in charleston was representative of white americans or the shooter in orlando, or san bernardino were
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representative of muslim americans. they don't speak for us. that's not who we are. >> in dallas right, cnn's martin savidge. martin that memorial on police cars it's been interesting to watch. yesterday you could see the police cars. now you can barely see it under there. what are the people of dallas doing other than this to show their sadness for those officers, but also their resolve, their sense of community? >> reporter: you get all the of that here actually. just stand for ten minutes and you feel the resolve and you feel the heart break and you get the sense that this is a place, even though the loss of these officers is felt throughout not just this city, throughout the state, this is the epicenter of that kind of grief. i'll step out of the way just a bit. people have been drawn all day long. the mayor was here earlier in the day. but then there were others that just keep coming. some come to reflect, stand sigh
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lieutenantly. you see people get extremely emotional. others come, talk with one another, share hugs, and leave notes and flowers. hard to tell that there are two police cars there. one of them is actually a dallas police cars. one is with dallas transportation police, otherwise known as d.a.r.t. officers from both agencies were lost in the attack on thursday. it's felt throughout the state but this is where it's felt the most. the fragrance coming from the flowers is remarkable. i think this is where people come to draw strength from one another and to figure out where they go from here. nobody is claiming to have any answers. it's just a good place to come and -- and look back. >> it occurs to me we are good as a country at the memorial. the question is what do we do next? martin savidge in dallas. it appears most on the minds of dallas today the victims of the horrific shooting. five police officers killed,
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seven others, some of them civilians still in the hospital. stephanie is at baylor hospital. there are still people there recovering? >> reporter: exactly. you know there were five officers that lost their lives, seven more that were injured and there were also two civilians hurt. one of those civilians is still here in the hospital. her name is she tammia taylor. she was there with her sons. she reportedly jumped to protect her sons and was shot in the calf. we connected with her husband, lavar taylor. he said she is doing fine. she is praying for everybody, and feeling bad for the police department, feeling sadness in the face of the loss they have had and not focused on her injuries. her husband is saying with their five boys it has been a lot for them to deal with. luckily, he wasn't there, he was
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at work, so he could be there for their children. listen to what he has to say. >> with all this craziness going on, i have to hold on tight and give them the example that that ain't the way we want to hold ourselves. because we're better than that. we're not -- violence don't do anything. it get us in the same circle. so -- i don't -- i'm just overwhelmed with it all. >> reporter: and they are saying that just overwhelmed by all that has happened. it's a lot to take in. they have been spending as much time as they can here at the hospital with she tammia. scary for people who were showing up at a protest that was peaceful until this sniper took this heinous action. jim? >> how many other victims still in the hospital? do we have a sense of what their conditions are? >> reporter: right. right. we understand that there are
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still two police officers that worked for d.a.r.t. that are still in the hospital at this time. their names are elmer cannon and missy mcbride. they are still there. we also know in a another police officer jamd jesus retana was released yesterday. those three officers still recovering and two here at the hospital at this point. >> thanks for following it for us. three days of unspeakable violence have left the country riddled with anger, frustration, fear, sorrow. still so many questions. the adjectives go on and on and so will the calls for accountable and answers. as they do, cnn's vector blackwell looks at the week that was, a week that we all hope never happens again but fear probably will. >> reporter: three consecutive days of violence sending shock waves through the nation. tuesday morning police are called to the triple s confused mart in baton rouge, louisiana for a report of a man with a gun. officers howie lake the second
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and blaine sal moany tackled 37-year-old atton sterling to the ground and after a brief scuffle sterling is shot several times. graphic video of the incident caught on bystanders' cell phones. >> [ bleep ]. [ gun shots ] >> get on the ground! [ gun shots ] >> what did you do that for, man. >> shots fired, shots fired. >> reporter: the video is shared widely across social media sparking local protests and national attention. sterling's 15-year-old son openly weeping during a press conference the next day. [ crying ] >> reporter: sterling's family demanding justice. >> i said again, i, for one, will not rest. and we're not alolowing y'all t
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sweep him into the dirt. >> reporter: the investigation into the hands of the department of justice. wednesday night, philando castile is hot and killed during a traffic stop in falcon heights, minnesota. his girlfriend diamond reynolds live streams the aftermath of the shooting on facebook. >> we got pulled over for a busted taillight in the back. and the police -- [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. he's covered. he killed by [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. he is licensed -- he was lonsed to carry. he was trying to get his i.d. out of his wallet out of his pocket. and he let the officer know that he was -- he had a firearm and he was reaching for husband wallet. and the officer just shot him in his arm. we're waiting for -- >> hands on the wheel! >> i will sir, no worries. i will [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. he just shot his arm off. we got pulled over on larpenteur. >> i told him not to reach for
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it. i told him to get his hand off it. >> you told him to get his i.d., sir,is driver's license. please don't tell me he is dead, don't tell me he went like that. >> reporter: his family and friend say he was targeted because he was black. >> i think he was just black in the wrong place. >> we didn't do anything. we put our hands in the air we knew other rights and we followed procedure. >> he is not a gang banger, not a tlug and i know he didn't antagonize that officer in any way. >> none whatsoever. >> to make him feel like his life was in danger. >> reporter: even the state's governor questioning whether this incident was racially motivated is. >> would this have happened had those passengers and the driver been white? i don't think it above. >> reporter: president obama had this to say. >> when incident like this occur, there is big chunk of our fellow citizenry that feels as
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if, because of the color of their skin, they are not being treated the same. >> black lives matter! >> reporter: thursday, as hundreds of people take to the streets to protest the violence, chaos erupts. [ sirens ] >> reporter: a gunman begins firing into the crowd, tarting police officers. >> there is four cops down. >> four? >> yeah, he shot five, seven times. >> it's a dude. >> reporter: the chaos captured on police scanners. >> officer, shots fired. code 3, shots fired, officer down. >> we have got a guy with a long rifle, we don't know where the hell he is at. >> parking garage. >> slow down, he is in the damn building right there. you don't know where he is at? he is in that building. i heard shots from that building. >> we have got to get dod down here right now. he is wounded, 169d, get him here. >> rifles, possibly in the el
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centro building. >> inside the el centro building. inside the el centro building. >> reporter: in the end, 12 officers are shot, five of them are killed. it is the single deadliest day for law enforcement since 9/11. >> there is no words to describe the atrocity that occurred to our city all i know is that this -- this must stop. this divisiveness between our police and our citizens. >> reporter: police identify the gunman as 25-year-old micah xavier johnson. the dallas police chief saying johnson told them he was upset about the recent police shootings and that he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers, and that he acted alone. after several hours of negotiations, he is killed by a police bomb robot. president obama calling the shooting a vicious, calculated, and despicable attack on laws law enforcement and ordering
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flags at public buildings around the country flown at half staff. >> coming up, the family of a baton rouge man killed by police this week speaks to cnn. >> i want them to be in prison. i want them behind bars. i believe deep down in my soul justice will be served. >> we're going live to louisiana for more from all theton sterling's grieving family. it's one of their first television interviews. and one . for the adult and kid in all of us. ♪ kellogg's frosted mini-wheats® feed your inner kidult americans are buying more and more of everything online. and so many businesses rely on the united states postal service to get it there. that's why we make more ecommerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. the united states postal service. priority: you
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welcome back to cnn newsroom. tensions remaining high in baton rouge, louisiana, where police shot and killed all theton sterling on tuesday, one of two police killings caught on video as it happened last week. tempers flaring outside police headquarters when protesters began hurling frozen water bottles at officers last night.
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nic robertson joins me from baton rouge. nick i understand you yourself were caught in that tense moment between police and protesters. describe what was going on. >> reporter: the anxiety was evident on friday night, hundreds of demonstrators squaring off against riot police. at one point there was a negotiation between one protester who was leading the group so to speak and the riot police. as they started to disperse, the water bottles came out. that escalated the situation. flashes of what could have been very, very bad. eventually the protest ended a few hours after it began. here the message from the family of atton sterling is that violence should not beget violence and hate should not beget hate. i sadd sat down with the mother of his eldest son who is still underbly very raw with emotion. in one of her first sit-down interviews since the death of atton sterling, she is still raw with emotion. >> my heart is really heavy right now. >> reporter: next to her
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attorney chris turner she speaks frankly with cnn about the killing of her child's father. >> just from the little bit that i saw of footage, i felt like they could have approached him different. the words they used could have been different. >> gun! >> reporter: cnn was told by a source with knowledge of the investigation that it was a homeless man that made the 911 call against sterling. the caller said sterling was brandishing a gun outside the triple s convenient store. mcmillan doesn't think that's how things started. >> i don't believe that there was a homeless man that asked for money and atton didn't give it, because he was not that type of person. atton would give you the shirt off his back if you needed it. >> do you feel him with you? >> i do. and you know, every time i get kind of emotional, i say, you
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know, come through to me. help me stand strong so i know the right things to say and do so that you can have justice. to me, justice is making sure everything is in order, making sure that the system that we have see what i see. and -- i want them to be in prison. i want them behind bars. i believe deep down in my soul justice will be served. i don't hate them. i dislike what they did.
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but i don't hate them. >> reporter: hate, she says, won't bring sterling back. but she will infer be tnever be again. she went on to say that faith in god is what is getting her through these grueling days. she is also fueled by optimism that the two officers involved in the shooting death of alton sterling will be brought to justice. >> did she talk about a civil suit against the police department? >> reporter: she has high hopes there will be criminal charges against these officers. her lawyer feels the same. they think the video evidence speaks for itself, especially the second angle of the cell phone. he lett her do most of the talk.
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she is moving forward because she want to get justice for the father of her eldest child. >> nick valencia covering that shooting earlier this week. protests today demanding simply an end to the violence. how can we turn words into action, heal the rift between civilians and police, address this violence, find a way forward? all these questions. that conversation coming up next live in the cnn newsroom.
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an african-american military veteran kills five police officers. a peaceful rally in dallas turn in effect into a shooting gallery. a nation struggling to comprehend what happened. the mayor of dallas speaks from the heart about a tragedy in his hometown. >> can you say something about the racial divide that seems to be apparent about -- >> guys, guys, guys, this is crazy. i've been talking as much healing as is in my body. okay? it's all about race. it's all about race. and let's get over it. build a bridge, and let's get over it. >> what about the -- what is your message to the people of dallas, mr. mayor? >> i've spoken enough. >> it's bull race, build a bridge he says and let's get over it. let's bring in our panel, art rodrick, mustafa tex amiz, joey
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jackson, mark lamont hill, author again of "nobody, casualties of america's war on the vulnerable". i'm going to make this easy on the panel. i was thinking as we saw that memorial in dallas, as a country we're great at memorials, right? i feel like we do a memorial three times a week now, after some sort of shooting, whether it's terrorism or race or god knows what. and then we have these conversations. and then the next one happens. i guess i would just ask each of you, what is the one thing not that you want said, but that you want done now to make a difference, to address this kind of violence? i'll start with mustafa. we're just williaming you onto the panel, we'll start with you. >> we have to start sees things from other's perspectives. oftentimes you build trust through respect. i think that's what is lacking right now. >> that's -- see it from the other side. art rodrick, you've been in the
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law enforcement service. what do you need to see done? not said, but done. >> well, i think, jim, when you look at the incidences that occurred in baton rouge and in minneapolis and then look at what happened here in dallas, they are on each end of the scale. you have questionable incidences in baton rouge and in minneapolis. and you have heroic efforts that occurred here in dallas. even though there is a small percentage of what you have on the bad side, 98%, as we heard from the chief and from the deputy chief law enforcement officers are doing good out there. but i think that what we have here is communities that are afraid to talk to police. and that perception is reality. so we've got to get all these communities and law enforcement agencies together and start a dialogue. >> mark lamont hill, your turn. >> i think we need new laws. it's hard to break it down to
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one thing because i think the whole system is broken. just for the sake this conversation i'll say we need new laws. we need to get rid of any policy that's spatially biased. pal policies and laws that force poor people to take a bigger burden of the wealthy counter-parts of bail. you are basically exchanging freedom. people die in jail because they didn't have the money to get out. we need to get rid of stop and frisk, broken windows, we need to get rid of i go in that weighs more heavily on one population than another. >> joey you are a lawyer. what law would you change first? mark mentioned the bail system. what would you change? >> it's an easy answer. before i give you the answer let me say no matter what police incident occurs there is never a squlusks for taking the lives
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like what we saw happened in dallas. it should not have happened. it just is tragic on so many levels and it's so sad that it came to that. violence is not the answer. in terms of my one thing, i'd like to see independent investigations where police involved shootings occur. here's what i mean. what we've seen when you have incidences like this is you talk about the issue of trust. whenever an investigation occurs involveding a police shooting, you want in general the population to trust the outcome of that investigation, to respect the outcome of that investigation, and to accept it. and so if you look back and you look at say for example, what happened in my backyard here in new york. eric gardner, selling cigarettes, there is a choke hold. he dies. no indictment. thereafter you look at cleveland, tamir rice, the child with a gun. no diamond. and so people, in looking at that -- and i would never advocate a grand jury doing anything other than following the evidence. my issue when i say independent
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investigation is should the staten island district attorney have been the one to present that to the grand jury being that you work as a district attorney i am a former prosecutor, with the police every day. am i the guy when i have your partner in my office yesterday handing them the evidence when i'm going to see your partner in my office tomorrow. when you have the department of justice step in and they are investigating people feel a little sense of relief, that there will be fairness, whatever the out come, they can buy into it. if there was one law across the country i would like to see whether it is the federal government that takes the investigation, whether it's another district attorney that takes the investigation other than the single person who works every day with local police officers. >> i heard bail reforms, some
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people can't afford bail. and you are seeing things from the other's side, not painting everyone with the same brush. cops in that case with that message of only a few not representing the whole. and ideas of respect. mustafa, what are the chances we see that kind of action in the coming days and weeks and months, the follow through? >> what we have to refuse is the by father conversation of are you for the police or are you for the african-american community. >> we have got to start coming together because the fabric of our nation is being torn. the only way to stitch it back is when we start hearing each other and not talk at each other but really with each other. >> guys let's work at it together, right? i mean it is a national responsibility. >> we need the police, jim. we absolutely need the police. police need communities. we have to respect police. and of course we want the police to respect communities. it has to come together. >> we need each other.
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art, mark, joey, mustafa thanks very much. coming up next, we return live to dallas, a city in mourning for this horrible loss. five police officers. others still injured and recovering. what where hope, resolve and community strength is high still. you are live in the cnn newsroom. (vo) my name's nick and i make dog chow in denver, colorado. one of my fondest memories of khloe is the day we got her. i knew right there she was gonna be a great dog. khloe's a big influence on the family.
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as dallas mourns the loss of five fallen police officers, investigators are digging into the shooter's background trying to piece together what brought him there, what led to this. shocked friends described micah xavier johnson as a jokester, a fun loving guy a proud army veteran who loved his country. but some are also describing him as reclusive, a loner, and police say johnson became infuriated and wanted to kill white police officers. when investigators searched johnson's home, they found a pile of bomb making materials.
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ed lavendara has been tracking the investigation in dallas. he has lived in dallas for a long time. ed, what's the latest on what we know about the killer? >> reporter: well, we know that investigators are poring through some of the evidence that was pulled out of his home where neighbors tell us he lived with his mother here in a suburb east of dallas called mesquite. that's where investigators over the course of about almost 12 hours of searching pulled out bags and bags of evidence from the home which we were later told included firearms, weapons, bomb making materials, and a journal of combat tactics. and detectives are poring through that book to determine exactly the mind-set of this killer and how this particular attack was planned out and carried out, if there is any clues that would shed light on all of that. all of this while investigation investigators are still here in downtown dallas. several square blocks have been cordoned off since the shooting
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and have remained so as investigators continue combing through this massive crime scene here. one of the things they are doing is collecting all of the shell casings, obviously. and they are also trying to make a traffic his movements during the course of that shooting. of course one person official initially created so much chaos that initially the investigators and law enforcement officers on the scene believed there was more than one shooter firing at them. that turned out according to law enforcement not to be the case that they do believe that micah johnson acted a alone. they are piecing together his background. we have tried to reach out to his family. they have rebuffed all of our requests for interviews so far. it's not clear how much cooperation they are making with law enforcement. >> are there any questions at this point about the police response? are they talking about mistakes made that i a loud the shooting to continue so long?
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are they reaching that stage? or is it too early? >> reporter: i would suspects it's too early. i haven't heard much talk about that. however, i think it's standard for law enforcement agency once everything has settled down quite a bit to look back on what happened and figure out what could have been done differently. i would imagine that that is pretty standard. i do know that several weeks ago, donald trump was here for a political rally and the police department here was celebrated and lauded for the way they handled -- there had just been a wave of protests at those rallies that had gotten out of control. the one that was here went off without a hitch even though there were protesters and anti-trump protesters and pro-trump sporters. they were all here and it had the protest tension that had been occurring at some of his rallies. but it never happened here. they were lauded for the way they handled that type of situation. that was one of the recent
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massive public events that the police department had to deal with. i do know talking to police officers here since that event going back and looking at how they handlinged the situation and what they did is something they do and probably do quite often. >> of course the night of the shooting the peaceful demonstration that the police handled so well. ed lavendera in dallas. coming up on cnn newsroom, two police involved shooting, ambush on police, protest from anti-police protesters. seem familiar? we'll look back to see if there are connections between this week and the turbulent 1960s. de
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targeting dallas police officers. to say the country has been on edge this week, certainly an understatement. many comparing to it the racial turbulence of the 1960s. our next guest knows a lot about that period in american history. julian zellezer is a historian, fellow at princeton university, author of "the fierce urgency of now". professor as you watched the weeks unfold here, i wonder if you saw echos of the 1960s? that tesh lent time was 50 years ago but doesn't seem that long ago. did you see echos of that in this week? >> there are many echos. in 1968, after a year after the riots that took place in cities like detroit and newark the government puts out a report,
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the kerner report and that report chronicles all the racial tensions and problems that exist in the cities. and one of the issues that's discussed is policing. and inequities, the racial unequities in the criminal justice imthe. both the protests and tensions and the policies being discussed were there in the 1960s and we never solved them. >> i actually read the kerner report. i read a story about it because someone tweeted it and i read it. i was reading it. this is something that lbj asked his commission to put together. so many of the lines in there seemed to describe today talking not just about policing buy disparity of opportunity, et cetera. on the flip side, you heard president obama today say, listen, we don't have the police attacking people wholesale. you don't have them setting dogs on protesters at edmond pettis bridge. right? do you think the president was
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wrong to say that it's an exaggeration to call this kind of the second coming of the '60s? >> well, thing can be better, and he's right, but they can still be bad. so there are certain areas where there has been improvement. and obviously you don't have those kinds of police attacks. you don't have the kinds of legal segregation that existed in the early 1960s but there are other issues. economic issues, issues with the criminal justice system, where i think it's fair to say we've deteriorated since the 1960s, not improved. i think that's an optimistic loss over the problems that have emerged in the last few years. >> in the aftermath, john lewis who certainly has experience in the '60s. he was at the front of many of protests. he spoke to a crowd on chi. listen to what he had to say. >> many of us years ago marched
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we were beaten. we were jailed. i went to jail 40 times during the '60s, beat and left bloody and unconscious. but i never gave up. i never gave in. we'll never give in. never give up. but we have got to have order, be peaceful. >> i mean, to be fair, and i certainly don't mean to put a gloss over this but looking for balance, there you have john lewis, as he said he went to jail dozens of times and now he is a sitting congressman, a respected one. president obama, he is president. for those sitting at home -- there are those saying the country is falling apart. wonder if that's exaggerated. >> the country hasn't fallen apart. we have made progress on civil rights. we are a more pluralistic society and some things that
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weren't tolerated in the '60s are now. john, president obama, they are symbols of how far we've come. we can'tignore the deep rooted issues that never were solved. when these issues of policing and inequities came on to the agenda in the 1960s the country moved to the right, to a more conservative position where they didn't deal with these issues. >> law and order, that helped elect knicks non-1968. we hear those same phrases now in our current political debate. no question. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> still to come -- >> please, we need your support to be able to protect you from men like these who carried out this tragic, tragic event.
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residents. one man, though, has had to stand tall throughout this horror. that's dallas police chief david brown. as cnn's sara sidner reports this is not the first time that chief brown has had to overcome tragic personal loss. >> reporter: the city of dallas is reeling, horrified after thursday's vicious ambush. the sniper's target, police, particularly white police officers. five police officers killed and seven others wounded after a gunman opened fire at a downtown dallas protest over police killings of young black men. amid the indicate skbros fear, a strong voice has epersoned. >> there are no words to describe the atrosty that occurred to our city. >> reporter: calling for peace, calling for respect, dallas police chief david brown must calm a terrified city. at the same time he's dealing with the aftermath the deadliest
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assault on law enforcement since 9/11. >> we don't feel much support most days. let's not make today most days. please, we need your support to be able to protect you from men like these who carried out this tragic, tragic event. >> reporter: he is a 30-year veteran of the dallas police department. few people know heart break, loss, and pain better than chief brown, who lost a colleague, a son, and his brother to violence. six years ago, his own son killed a police officer and another man before police fatally shot his son more than a dozen times. brown's younger brother was killed by drug dealers back in the '90s. he doesn't talk much about those losses. but now he must unravel what
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happened behind an unthinkable massacre. >> through our investigation of some of the suspects, it's revealed to us that this was a well-planned, well thought out, evil tragedy by these suspects. and we won't rest until we bring everyone involved to justice [ applause ] >> reporter: under brown's leadership, the dallas police department worked hard to reduce incidents of excessive force in recent years. police trained to use tasers instead of bultsds in certain situations. now some of these officers are dead and one man must help a city mend. >> in the police officer profession we are very
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comfortable with not hearing thank you from citizens especially who need us the most. we're used to it. >> thank you! >> thank you. >> thank you! >> so today feels like a different day than the days before this tragedy because you're here, because dallas is a city that loves. >> reporter: sara sidner, cnn, dallas. coming up live in the newsroom, president obama speaking candidly about race and the violence we've witnessed this week across america. and his own legacy on race relations. that's coming up right at the top of this hour. ♪
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lastly this hour, i want to show you just some of the messages people have been leaving outside the dallas police headquarters where this memorial you see there has been growing, balloons, flowers, and notes like this. ♪
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you are live in the cnn newsroom. i'm jim sciutto in washington. america not as divided as some may think. these were the hopeful words from president obama today after a week marred by my residence is, grieving families and video simply too graphic for many to watch. you are looking now at live pictures of air force one as it lands in spain. the president having just left warsaw for a nato meeting. he is going to be coming home to the u.s. early, a day early, in fact. and he'll go down to visit dallas. this of course at a time when the country seems

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